I don't like the additional guitarist for the initial summer shows. I think when they do a tour next year having Dave along for the tour makes sense. Wonder if Santers is upset for not being asked back for this tour? In any event, we should be happy Triumph is playing again whether it be one or two guitarists.
I have to jump in on this one. Dave has been playing with Rik for years and knows those Triumph songs well. In my opinion, this will make Rik feel at ease.
I have seen them play together (it has been a while) but boy do they jell. I think it will make Triumph sound better.
Just an opinion...
Since some of the board members are offering their opinions on adding a fourth member, I'll chime in again with the same feelings I had before. I would rather have Triumph keep it as Gil, Mike and Rik. After all these years have gone by, it would be just like seeing the guys for the first time all over again. Having seen them twelve times, three with Rick Santers, I just prefer having the trio of Triumph. Will I go see them with Dave Dunlop if they come my way? You bet I will be there!!! I've seen Dave with Rik's band in Utica they were fantastic...it's just my preference
Luvers666: Who is Rob Yale? I never saw a fourth member on Thunder Seven tour. Mike Levine mentioned having Rick Santers on Sport of Kings tour was a first for adding a member on stage.
Luvers666:To everyone:When I made that comment about brainless it was not meant to be taken as an insult to anyone and I was not calling anyone a brainless person. Some of the smartest people on earth are ignorant about certain things but being ignorant does not mean a person is stupid.It was seeming like more and more people were under the assumption that the band never used a 'fourth' member with the obvious exception of Rick Santers, which is fine. I was merely pointing out that every band has always used other people in concert and it's merely for filling out the sound.When Judas Priest toured in support of their Turbo album they had another drummer playing under the stage.But nonetheless, sorry if anyone was 'offended' by the brainless comment, it was not meant to be directed towards anyone here or otherwise. Plus I am one here who finds the added help of Dave Dunlop to be quite a brilliant idea, he knows Rik well and Triumph songs well.I seen the band live from 1980 - 1987, and each time up until Rick Santers or Rob Yale on T7, the band sounded great no doubt. But the rhythm section became so much more prominent when that fourth member was added.Besides, as Drew hinted at, isn't it just better to know the band is playing and back together? Who cares if they add another member.
Nice try but given the way it was written I don't know how anyone would've thought otherwise. Why say it to begin with? You had to know how the wording would've been taken. Why not get into an a more complete explanation on your thoughts on the extra band member? I've read your comments before and it just did'nt sound like something you'd write. But maybe you were having an off day.
Plus I doubt that every band has always used other people in concert and it's merely for filling out the sound. Probably alot have...maybe even the majority of the big acts out there...I'd be willing to go along with that... but every one... always? Have you been to every concert of every band out there? or are you so deeply in the music industry that you are privy to everything that goes on?
I"ve never heard of a Rob Yale in all the years I've been following Triumph. New one on me but I guess you're the authority here. What makes you that? Just curious.
Luvers666: I personally wasn't offended by anything you wrote. I got what you were driving at. It did come off a little snarky though.
I was at several Thunder 7 shows (some of the same shows you were at, according to that other thread) I never saw a fourth member or ever heard the name Rob Yale. I'm not saying it's not true or possible. just saying I was never aware of him.
Bands that use "sound enhancers" or "extra members".
Rush has sync'd backing tracks. (keyboards)
Queensryche uses synced backing vocals
Blue Murder had a Keyboardist buried behind some amps. if you were further back you never would have known he was there. At least until john Sykes introduced him at the end of the show.
Just to name a few.
solitaryman: Luvers666:To everyone:When I made that comment about brainless it was not meant to be taken as an insult to anyone and I was not calling anyone a brainless person. Some of the smartest people on earth are ignorant about certain things but being ignorant does not mean a person is stupid.It was seeming like more and more people were under the assumption that the band never used a 'fourth' member with the obvious exception of Rick Santers, which is fine. I was merely pointing out that every band has always used other people in concert and it's merely for filling out the sound.When Judas Priest toured in support of their Turbo album they had another drummer playing under the stage.But nonetheless, sorry if anyone was 'offended' by the brainless comment, it was not meant to be directed towards anyone here or otherwise. Plus I am one here who finds the added help of Dave Dunlop to be quite a brilliant idea, he knows Rik well and Triumph songs well.I seen the band live from 1980 - 1987, and each time up until Rick Santers or Rob Yale on T7, the band sounded great no doubt. But the rhythm section became so much more prominent when that fourth member was added.Besides, as Drew hinted at, isn't it just better to know the band is playing and back together? Who cares if they add another member.Nice try but given the way it was written I don't know how anyone would've thought otherwise. Why say it to begin with? You had to know how the wording would've been taken. Why not get into an a more complete explanation on your thoughts on the extra band member? I've read your comments before and it just did'nt sound like something you'd write. But maybe you were having an off day. Plus I doubt that every band has always used other people in concert and it's merely for filling out the sound. Probably alot have...maybe even the majority of the big acts out there...I'd be willing to go along with that... but every one... always? Have you been to every concert of every band out there? or are you so deeply in the music industry that you are privy to everything that goes on? I"ve never heard of a Rob Yale in all the years I've been following Triumph. New one on me but I guess you're the authority here. What makes you that? Just curious.
you two sure like to butt heads over everything...
sometimes you just have to let stuff go, I dont get it either and still think it was a very condescending comment but it wasn't worth another post to cause another arguement by calling someone out. Use the PM function if you are having problems, don't change Triumph adding a new guitarist into a personal arguement...again...
You arent going to agree with everyone about everything, and sometimes people will tick me off but you have to just bite the bullet and move on.
"New one on me but I guess you're the authority here. What makes you that? Just curious."--that statement is basically what you're complaining about, a smartass remark...two wrongs make a right?
anywho...Triumph adding a second doesn't bother me, those last videos of Rik's band playing Lay It, BLS, and Fight were awesome. Especially the intro to BLS with twin leads. I would guess Dave could probably do a better job with background vocals than Gil could since Gil's voice is quite a bit different and it didnt always seem quite right when it was just the three with Gil singing background. Rik could get away with it with those highs singing behind Gil but the otherway around wasn't quite right. Dave would be able to do the Rick Santers background type stuff...It would be cool if they played the first song of their Sweden set with just the three of them though.
knetzke11: solitaryman: Luvers666:To everyone:When I made that comment about brainless it was not meant to be taken as an insult to anyone and I was not calling anyone a brainless person. Some of the smartest people on earth are ignorant about certain things but being ignorant does not mean a person is stupid.It was seeming like more and more people were under the assumption that the band never used a 'fourth' member with the obvious exception of Rick Santers, which is fine. I was merely pointing out that every band has always used other people in concert and it's merely for filling out the sound.When Judas Priest toured in support of their Turbo album they had another drummer playing under the stage.But nonetheless, sorry if anyone was 'offended' by the brainless comment, it was not meant to be directed towards anyone here or otherwise. Plus I am one here who finds the added help of Dave Dunlop to be quite a brilliant idea, he knows Rik well and Triumph songs well.I seen the band live from 1980 - 1987, and each time up until Rick Santers or Rob Yale on T7, the band sounded great no doubt. But the rhythm section became so much more prominent when that fourth member was added.Besides, as Drew hinted at, isn't it just better to know the band is playing and back together? Who cares if they add another member.Nice try but given the way it was written I don't know how anyone would've thought otherwise. Why say it to begin with? You had to know how the wording would've been taken. Why not get into an a more complete explanation on your thoughts on the extra band member? I've read your comments before and it just did'nt sound like something you'd write. But maybe you were having an off day. Plus I doubt that every band has always used other people in concert and it's merely for filling out the sound. Probably alot have...maybe even the majority of the big acts out there...I'd be willing to go along with that... but every one... always? Have you been to every concert of every band out there? or are you so deeply in the music industry that you are privy to everything that goes on? I"ve never heard of a Rob Yale in all the years I've been following Triumph. New one on me but I guess you're the authority here. What makes you that? Just curious. you two sure like to butt heads over everything...sometimes you just have to let stuff go, I dont get it either and still think it was a very condescending comment but it wasn't worth another post to cause another arguement by calling someone out. Use the PM function if you are having problems, don't change Triumph adding a new guitarist into a personal arguement...again...You arent going to agree with everyone about everything, and sometimes people will tick me off but you have to just bite the bullet and move on."New one on me but I guess you're the authority here. What makes you that? Just curious."--that statement is basically what you're complaining about, a smartass remark...two wrongs make a right? anywho...Triumph adding a second doesn't bother me, those last videos of Rik's band playing Lay It, BLS, and Fight were awesome. Especially the intro to BLS with twin leads. I would guess Dave could probably do a better job with background vocals than Gil could since Gil's voice is quite a bit different and it didnt always seem quite right when it was just the three with Gil singing background. Rik could get away with it with those highs singing behind Gil but the otherway around wasn't quite right. Dave would be able to do the Rick Santers background type stuff...It would be cool if they played the first song of their Sweden set with just the three of them though.
We're not butting heads as far as I know So I don't really need a lecture from one of the 1st ones to complain about past comments. I just thought even the apology was abit condesending. Sometimes though I find know it alls or ones that sometimes sound abit like it..abit annoying...so I say something. I should'nt but I do. But it seems as soon as I remark about something she said I get this. The first comments she made did'nt even sound like her. That's what actually surprised me the most.
<New one on me but I guess you're the authority here. What makes you that? Just curious."--that statement is basically what you're complaining about, a smartass remark...two wrongs make a right?>
I don't get your remarks about it. Maybe I should'nt have said it but yet where does she come by her knowledge is what I meant. It wasn't a smart ass comment and I wasn't putting her down. If someone knows something I can learn ..good but if someone talks down to a person well that's another thing. If she has some inside info it would be interesting how she knows it. Could be a story in itself.
It just amazes me here how you all act like your offended but then jump on someone who speaks up about it. Like only some on here are allowed to be offended and remark. I actually wasn't going to say anything but everyone else did so I jumped in. But I certainly don't think we were even fighting about it. The whole topic of a another person helping the guys out is a good one. I think they made a good choice. I'm all for Dave helping out.
Ummmm, can we just drop it please? Hate the way this board is going sometimes.
Thanks, and Cheers
Brien
You're probably right. But I'll just add one more thought and then drop it. In the end, I do not believe that she was singling anyone one out with the 'brainless' comment. Now that I think about it I beleive her about that. I misread her follow up to it. While the comment was abit condesending, I think it was a generalization not intended to be aimed at anyone. While it could've been worded better, I certainly did'nt take any offense to it. It did seem abit out in left field when you compare it to her normal intelIigent well written comments. But we all have our off days. I was not one to sign my complaint against it 'brainless' or call myself that in an effort to be sarcastic about it like some have ( but yet I'm the sarcastic one..lol). I voiced my opinion about it and I'll be the first to admit I could've worded it better. But what I wrote was not liked. But that's ok too. That seems to be par for course on here. I'll never win a popularity contest on here. But I don't care.
Anyway, whether some of us are for it being just the 3 of them or believe having Dave in there was a good idea...well isn't it just great we can talk about this? Isn't it just great they are playing together? That's what it's all about anyway.
Does anyone know if they are for sure planning a dvd on the concert in Sweden?
Have a good day everyone!!
Just checking in to address the back and forth differences of opinions going on here. Things will be said online that people don't agree with so in your responses avoid from making it personal.
As knetzke11 mentioned some conversations should take place in a PM form and after the Luvers666 apology post was made their was no reason for that end of conversation to continue publicly. Let's stay on topic and look forward to all the great things that are ahead of us.
Thanks- Kendall
It was Rick Santers.
I like the Triumph sound (especially live) with a second guitar player.
Rik has not lost his chops(guitar), now vocally that is a different story.
I guess with age and a high octave voice it is difficult to keep that range as the years go by.
It's funny and I guess because of differing opinions we may only want the three of them up there, but............................................
Ultimately it is the choice of the band and they want it to sound good.
I love this discussion because.........................
In less than 3 weeks, our favorite band who we never thought would ever speak to each other again are going to play live again.
yes it is that close............................I just would like to add
TRIUMPH, TRIUMPH,TRIUMPH
and to end the show............................................
Mike will remind us that ..................................
Triumph loves you.................................
Hank
hrams:
he better!!